{"id":2245,"date":"2015-11-30T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-11-29T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/2025\/06\/19\/nous-qui-voulons-toujours-raison-garder\/"},"modified":"2025-07-19T09:15:10","modified_gmt":"2025-07-19T07:15:10","slug":"nous-qui-voulons-toujours-raison-garder","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/nous-qui-voulons-toujours-raison-garder\/","title":{"rendered":"\u00ab Nous qui voulons toujours raison garder. \u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"field-item even\">\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/220px-bust_of_philippe_le_bel_saintdenis.jpg\" alt=\"philippe le bel\" title=\"philippe le bel\" width=\"220\" height=\"299\"><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"citation\"><span class=\"enonce\">\u00ab\u00a0Nous qui voulons toujours raison garder.\u00a0\u00bb<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"auteur\"><span data-href=\"\/auteurs\/philippe-iv-le-bel\"><span class=\"author\"><span class=\"name\"><span class=\"caps\">PHILIPPE<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"caps\">IV<\/span> le Bel<\/span><\/span><\/span> (1268-1314), Lettre au roi d\u2019Angleterre \u00c9douard\u00a0I<sup>er<\/sup>, 1<sup>er<\/sup>\u00a0septembre 1286<\/p>\n<p class=\"source\"><cite>Histoire de la France<\/cite> (1947), Andr\u00e9 Maurois.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"ressi\">Il \u00e9crit ces mots \u00e0 18\u00a0ans, son destinataire en a 47. L\u2019un des premiers actes du jeune roi est de rendre \u00e0 son \u00ab\u00a0cousin\u00a0\u00bb une partie des terres lui revenant (entre Quercy, Limousin et Saintonge), au terme d\u2019un pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent trait\u00e9 non appliqu\u00e9. Le roi d\u2019Angleterre, par ailleurs duc de Guyenne, est vassal du roi de France pour toutes ses possessions dans le pays, d\u2019o\u00f9 des relations complexes \u2013 il faut m\u00e9nager la susceptibilit\u00e9 de l\u2019un ou l\u2019autre souverain\u00a0!<\/p>\n<p>Cette lettre fait suite \u00e0 la visite d\u2019\u00c9douard\u00a0I<sup>er<\/sup> venu \u00e0 Paris rendre hommage \u00e0 son suzerain, et \u00e0 divers remous diplomatiques.<\/p>\n<p>Le m\u00eame pr\u00e9cepte est repris par Philippe le Bel dans ses <em class=\"temp\">Enseignements aux dauphins<\/em>. Et Richelieu dira plus tard\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0La raison doit \u00eatre la r\u00e8gle et conduite d\u2019un \u00c9tat.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p>\n<p>Le proverbe reste, d\u00e9barrass\u00e9 du \u00ab\u00a0nous\u00a0\u00bb royal, mais gardant l\u2019inversion quelque peu vieille France\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0Il faut toujours raison garder.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"citation-small\">\u00ab\u00a0Ce n\u2019est ni un homme ni une b\u00eate, c\u2019est une statue.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p>\n<p class=\"auteur\">Bernard <span class=\"caps\">SAISSET<\/span> (vers 1232-vers 1311\/1314), parlant de Philippe le Bel<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>L\u2019\u00e9v\u00eaque de Pamiers est ami du pape Boniface <span class=\"caps\">VIII<\/span>, qui a cr\u00e9\u00e9 cet \u00e9v\u00each\u00e9 pour lui. Le portrait qu\u2019il fait du roi, ennemi d\u00e9clar\u00e9 du pape, est fatalement partial.<\/p>\n<p>Mais les adversaires de Philippe le Bel l\u2019appelleront souvent \u00ab\u00a0roi de fer\u00a0\u00bb ou \u00ab\u00a0roi de marbre\u00a0\u00bb, il doit donc y avoir une part de v\u00e9rit\u00e9 dans ce portrait.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"citation-small\">\u00ab\u00a0[Interdiction] \u00e0 quiconque [\u2026] d\u2019oser faire sortir par terre ou par mer, personnellement ou par d\u00e9put\u00e9, hors du royaume, l\u2019or et l\u2019argent sous quelque forme que ce soit, les armes, les chevaux ou toutes choses servant \u00e0 la guerre.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p>\n<p class=\"auteur\"><span class=\"caps\">PHILIPPE<\/span> <span class=\"caps\">IV<\/span> le Bel (1268-1314), Ordonnance, 17 ao\u00fbt 1296<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Ce texte est l\u2019anc\u00eatre de tous les d\u00e9crets sur le commerce ext\u00e9rieur et le contr\u00f4le des changes. La mesure prise r\u00e9pond \u00e0 une n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 imp\u00e9rieuse\u00a0: le roi a grand besoin d\u2019argent. Il fait la guerre \u00e0 l\u2019Angleterre, \u00e0 la suite d\u2019une querelle sur les zones de p\u00eache, et \u00e0 la Flandre son alli\u00e9e. Or la guerre co\u00fbte cher.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"citation-small\">\u00ab\u00a0Cette victoire ne saurait \u00eatre attribu\u00e9e \u00e0 aucun homme. Elle est l\u2019oeuvre de Dieu.\u00a0\u00bb<\/p>\n<p class=\"auteur\"><span class=\"caps\">PHILIPPE<\/span> <span class=\"caps\">IV<\/span> le Bel (1268-1314), Mons-en-Pev\u00e8le, 10 ao\u00fbt 1304<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Le roi, \u00e0 la t\u00eate de son arm\u00e9e, a triomph\u00e9 de l\u2019arm\u00e9e flamande, compos\u00e9e de 80 000 hommes command\u00e9s par Guillaume de Juliers et Jean de Namur. 6 000 Flamands restent sur le champ de bataille et Guillaume de Juliers est d\u00e9capit\u00e9, sa t\u00eate promen\u00e9e devant la tente de Philippe\u00a0: deux ans apr\u00e8s, c\u2019est la revanche sur le d\u00e9sastre de Courtrai.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"citation-small\">\u00ab\u00a0N\u2019aurons-nous donc jamais fait [fini]\u00a0? Je crois qu\u2019il pleut des Flamands\u00a0!\u00a0\u00bb<\/p>\n<p class=\"auteur\"><span class=\"caps\">PHILIPPE<\/span> <span class=\"caps\">IV<\/span> le Bel (1268-1314), Lille, automne 1304<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Le roi de France, toujours menant ses troupes, renvers\u00e9 avec son cheval, a pu se d\u00e9gager \u00e0 coups de hache. Il met ensuite le si\u00e8ge devant Lille, et pousse cette exclamation, apprenant l\u2019arriv\u00e9e d\u2019une nouvelle arm\u00e9e de 60 000 Flamands.<\/p>\n<p>Plut\u00f4t que la poursuite de la guerre, il va choisir la diplomatie. Ce sera le trait\u00e9 d\u2019Athis-sur-Orge (23 juin 1305)\u00a0: les Flamands devront payer une lourde indemnit\u00e9 et d\u00e9molir toutes leurs fortifications. En gage d\u2019ex\u00e9cution de ces clauses, Philippe occupe Lille, Douai et B\u00e9thune. En 1312, les clauses du trait\u00e9 ne sont toujours pas ex\u00e9cut\u00e9es\u00a0: le roi annexe les trois villes \u00e0 titre d\u00e9finitif, en vertu du trait\u00e9 de Pontoise, dit Transport de Flandre. Ainsi, le royaume s\u2019agrandit.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"citations histoire moyen age\" href=\"http:\/\/www.histoire-en-citations.fr\/boutique\/volume-1\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/histoire-en-citations-volume-1-14.jpg\" alt=\"citations histoire moyen age\" title=\"citations histoire moyen age\" style=\"float: left;margin: 10px\" width=\"150\" height=\"200\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"citations histoire moyen age\" href=\"http:\/\/www.histoire-en-citations.fr\/boutique\/volume-1\" target=\"_blank\">Feuilletez nos Chroniques pour en savoir plus.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<style>\r\n        a .cit-num {\r\n            text-decoration: none !important;\r\n            color: inherit !important;\r\n        }\r\n    <\/style>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00ab\u00a0Nous qui voulons toujours raison garder.\u00a0\u00bb PHILIPPE\u00a0IV le Bel (1268-1314), Lettre au roi d&#8217;Angleterre \u00c9douard\u00a0Ier, 1er\u00a0septembre 1286 Histoire de la France (1947), Andr\u00e9 Maurois. Il \u00e9crit ces mots \u00e0 18\u00a0ans, son destinataire en a 47. L&#8217;un des premiers actes du jeune roi est de rendre \u00e0 son \u00ab\u00a0cousin\u00a0\u00bb une partie des terres lui revenant (entre [&#8230;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"iawp_total_views":24,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1400],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2245","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-chronique-citation-du-jour-garder-moyen-age-philippe-iv-le-bel-raison-garder-toujours-voulons"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2245","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2245"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2245\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2248,"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2245\/revisions\/2248"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2245"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2245"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/histoire-en-citations.fr\/WP\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2245"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}